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Causes of World War II - Polish Silesia

I put an item to the discussion page talk:Causes of World War II Please discuss the issue. Cautious 09:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Could you please explain if portion is smaller then part?

Cautious 12:01, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

For somebody who is not native speaker the most difficult is spectrum of meanings. If you are native speaker please advice the proper word. However part seems to big for one fiftinth of the area. Cautious 18:25, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Civic religion

I was surprised to read some of the things at civic religion: that it occurs only in dictatorships, that it disallows dissent, etc. I would have thought that the phrase refers to ritual expressions of patriotism of the sort practiced in all countries, such as singing the national anthem at public gatherings, displaying the flag on patriotic holidays, retelling exaggerated, one-sided, and oversimplified mythologized tales of great leaders or great battles in the past, and in the USA, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, presidential inauguration ceremonies, and the like. Since you use the term civic religion only to refer to dogmatic forms practiced only in dictatorships, what name would you use instead of civic religion to refer to the sort of thing I thought was meant? Michael Hardy 01:57, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Why I redirected this page

I think there was valuable material on this page, but it was very misleading to title the article civic religion. It was actually about only the most extreme form of civic religion. I have moved some of the material about personality cults and veneration of a Great Leader, and adherence to the Leader's dogmas to the exclusion of all other religion, into the article titled civil religion, to which I have redirected this page. If you click on "history" on this page you will find all of the material that was formerly on this page, so it can be copied and pasted into some appropriately titled page. Maybe some of it could go into cult of personality. Michael Hardy 21:12, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

(Response to your comments on my talk page.) I didn't think it was quick and rash; it was after several days of discussion in which it seemed that various interested parties gave their views. Michael Hardy 21:24, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

(more such response) Hyperbole at its most hyperbolic. No, it's just an argument about one article. For every article that's argued about like this, a thousand others are being built steadily. Michael Hardy 21:34, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

... and how much input is enough? It doesn't seem as if the number of people interested in this article is huge. Michael Hardy 21:36, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Titles of two articles

Civic religion is a good article, even if it needs a lot more work, but it still bugs me that two articles that are so different from each other have names so similar that people are likely to forget which is which. I think civil religion is a very fitting name for that article, so this one ought to be changed. This one seems to be about just one kind of civil religion. A crude suggestion would be to call this one extremist civil religion. But there must be a better word than "extremist". So my tentative position is: figure out what word that should be, and move this article there. Michael Hardy 02:13, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

i am also trying to figure out which concepts belong in which article (and perhaps which concepts belong in the bit bucket). this thing where are kids are expected to say the Pledge Allegience at public schools, where they are expected to sing the national anthem at basketball games, where the U.S. Constitution is "proof texted" like scripture, where the Founding Fathers are elevated in status to that of Old Testament prophets, what is that thing called? is it "civil religion" or "civic religion". it is a form of religion. it does seem to coexist with other religions but seems to co-opt loyalty from them. i'll vote on that delete thing if someone can convince me which is which. one thing i'll agree with Michael Hardy is that the two terms are so similar that there should not be articles for both. one should redirect to the other. r b-j 06:17, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

personal insults and removal of dispute notices

I would be grateful if you could have a look at the following pages Talk:William C. Rogers III, Talk:Iran Air Flight 655, Talk:Iran, Talk:Religious minorities in Iran, Talk:Christians in Iran and the related articles and article histories. User:K1 is currently using in highly offensive personally abusive language all over the place to several users, deleted a "dispute" notice on the Rogers article, despite clearly not having resolved the accuracy dispute.

I am still fairly new to Wikipedia and would benefit both from your advice and help in this matter Thank you very much Refdoc 11:43, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have raised the matter at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/--K1 Refdoc 15:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Refdoc 14:49, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Guanaco

Ah my old friend, perhaps you should direct yourself to my other messages. The game is on.

This person is upset because I deleted his copyvio images. He's even sent me a nasty email.

Guanaco, you, the crafty scorpion and the malicious snake, the crown of infidelity and all that is impure, the editor and policeman, apostate servent of your corrupt masters, in the comming minutes I would like an estimate of whether this is acceptable. Give me your direct e-mail address so I can send you something important.

His email address appears to be myafgha@myafghan.com, but if I try to send a reply, it is returned by the ISP. It's possible he may begin a vandalism spree, because he has resorted to vandalizing Wikipedia:Votes for deletion to try to prevent a vanity page he created from being deleted. Guanaco 03:45, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I don't know. He's done this kind of thing before. I blocked him for vandalizing VfD, and he started emailing other users and making threats. See the section User talk:Guanaco#Danny Rosenblatt. Guanaco 03:54, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I have blocked his IP address and all three of his known accounts. His message at User talk:24.228.82.146 and the emails received by various users have led me to believe that he was going to vandalize Wikipedia. Guanaco 04:07, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm trying to stamp out the dispute, rather than fuel it

... by showing that it is a non-issue. I have worked in the US, but I was not a long term resident. My point is that the issue between the use of theater and theatre in a military context is not as clear cut as your personal experience may lead you to think. Here is a simple google test, limiting the sites to .gov (no possibility of links outside of the United States)

• war "european theater" site:gov [1] = 865 hits
• war "european theatre" site:gov [2] = 91 hits
• war "pacific theater" site:gov [3] = 936 hits
• war "pacific theatre" site:gov [4] = 98 hits

Thus there should be no argument that this spelling has some usage in a military context in the US. Mintguy (T) 08:11, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Good work on the Windows XP page

The only thing is... it's probably better to not touch the UI page (it's a bit of a hot topic for debate around here!) any more than we should. But otherwise, congrats on making the page more valuable! - Ta bu shi da yu 23:22, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

German army in WW II

Ummm...all of this information was available elsewhere and there is a European Theatre of World War II page. Therefore I am redirecting there.--naryathegreat 01:44, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)

Where was the info specific to the German army available? AlainV 03:15, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)

History of the PRC

Regarding the Great Leap, this is quite a complicated issue, and the estimates you're bringing up are within a huge, mind-blowing range of variation. This matter is better addressed here, which is a page directly linked to the article. As for your removal of content on the forth page, I don't see how it isn't a straightforward, factual summation of the content on the post-Tiananmen years (e.g., the ability of the PRC to chart an effective course through the aftermath of Tiananmen, the '98 East Asian financial crisis, the world economic slowdown in 2000, the Falun Gong controversy, the devastating flooding, the leadership change of 2002-2003, and finally the SARs epidemic). That concluding sentence has stood in the article for over a year-and-a-half with no objections, so your insistence on removing it strikes me as POV. 172 19:18, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't understand this objection. Look up the meaning of the word "preponderance" in a dictionary. All the definitions this word denotes are value-neutral. If anything, what the word connotes can gravitate toward the positive side (e.g., being synonymous with "preeminence"). 172 21:10, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I don't know who you are, what your native tough is, or who you've been talking to, but "preponderance" isn't by any stretch of the imagination a negative, POV term. 172 21:26, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

English is my native tongue as well and I am a professional historian; I am still puzzled as to how "preponderance" can be considered a negative, POV term. 172 21:35, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Speaking of competence, have you looked up the definition of that word yet? If it bothers you so much (for what reason, I fail to grasp), just go ahead and change it to, say, "preeminence." 172 21:43, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The wording you're suggesting now will be POV. That seems to be suggesting that China is seeking hegemony. 172 21:49, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I changed the wording a bit. Now hopefully you can clam down. You seem to be making a big deal about nothing. 172 22:01, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

This conversation is getting a bit tedious. We can wait for the input of other users. Place a note on the talk page. About half-a-dozen other users have been actively editing the History of the PRC article. We can wait to find out if they agree that this sentence somehow makes Western culture "look bad." 172 22:10, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Recent speedy deletion requests

Hi. I have been responding to your speedy deletion requests. However, some of them do not meet the qualifications to be candidates for speedy deletion. Are there any that were not deleted that you can make a reason for speedy deletion? - Tεxτurε 19:14, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Windows XP

I don't know what you're talking about removing stuff--I haven't removed a single thing, I promise. As a matter of fact, I created the spyware sections. I also like the fact that the similarites to Mac OS X is gone, but I kind of started to like it, it seemed to bring a little friendship into the mix between the two, which have a history of enmity.--naryathegreat 03:33, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

Honestly I don't know what I was talking about either. For some reason I thought you made those edits today removing the sections, but I should have checked the history. My fault. Rhobite 03:53, Aug 13, 2004 (UTC)

I removed stuff, i'm talking about the insides, I smashed it up. I really regret it, because i could have just got a reboot disc. But instead I made a hole in the motherboard, eek!

Redirects

Please don't redirect pages without consulting other users in talk. GeneralPatton 21:02, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Your additions to USAD

Your additions to USAD are in many cases irrelevant (Demidec being quicker than Acalon is a bit too fine grain for an article on USAD) or they remove correct information and replace it with incorrect info (replacing "science" with "super quiz" is just wrong). Also the concept of a central theme hasn't always been around, and Super Quiz hasn't always thus been tied to a theme. Some of your additions both focus on and offer POV relating to the 2004 events. Your statement that math doesn't change from year to year is also incorrect. CryptoDerk 06:03, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

Just so you know, I did Acadec while I was in high school, won over 30 medals at state, went to nationals 3 times and won 2 medals there. I've been the coach of a team that went to nationals, and I have semi-detailed knowledge of USAD competitions from 1992 to 2004. Anyway, I didn't comment on Demidec being error prone, although it IS too specific in an article on USAD. Plus that information changes year to year -- you may notice that there are some errors this year, but next year there may not be. In 1998 and 1999 my teams found that Demidec materials weren't error-prone so much as much of the information was irrelevant since USAD writes questions from their own materials. Additionally, it goes without saying that materials are error-prone. I can recall when USAD had pages of errata for their own materials.

Looking at your new edits to the article, I want to make sure that I specifically point out things that are wrong:

• Science IS an event. Super Quiz changes from year to year. Unless Science was permanently made the Super Quiz event (in which case I'd like to see some reference). Just one year ago social science was the Super Quiz. Although tangential to the subject, I think that science has been the Super Quiz more often than other subjects.
• Historically most events haven't been tied into the theme. The addition of a close-knit theme has evolved over time.
• Mathematics most definitely DOES change from year to year. Probably the most notable change from year to year is the number of questions. Aside from that, though, the % of certain questions changes, as does the subtopics covered. Sometimes geometry isn't covered, sometimes it is; sometimes calculus is 5%, sometimes calculus is 15%, etc.
• Saying that astrology is a better topic than astronomy is your opinion. This is POV, period.
• I want numbers regarding your statement that "most teams" rely on third party materials. There are thousands of teams out there. It is a fact that most top scoring teams in large competition states do order these, but I want hard numbers saying that most order the third party materials.

Additionally removing my general statements on the competition and replacing them with specifics for 2004 is bad. I'll rework these into a list. Take a look at the article in a bit and hopefully it will satisfy both of us. If you have statements regarding what should be in the article we should probably take this to the article's talk page and hopefully other people will get involved as well. For instance, I know very little of the competition prior to 1992.

Also, although I did state that it was too fine grain, I have lots of knowledge about Demidec's creation, process, etc. I was at the first nationals when Demidec was starting up and trying to be pals with USAD, and I've spent several hours in the company of Dan Berdichevsky. I've also briefly met the guy that runs Acalon.

Finally, on a tangent, what years have you done Acadec? I've found a few editors on WP that have some Acadec history, and it's always interesting to meet new ones. CryptoDerk 17:51, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

In response to your statements:

• "even if the tied into theme thing did evolve over time, what it's like now is a revolution about the theme. So we should say that in the article." - Done
• "yes the official USAD material does have errata, but it is important to note that almost all tested info comes from it now, so no sane person doesn't buy it" - I was saying that a lot of teams don't buy the third-party stuff, not the USAD stuff. I'd wager that 99.9% of the teams get the USAD stuff, but I'd say if Demidec is lucky then upwards of 30% of teams get their stuff. You could email Dan about this and see if he has the numbers — it may also give you a good inroad to becoming a Demidec intern, if you are/were interested in that.
• The math really is a lot more dynamic than you may think. I've not seen national results or the % breakdown since 2000, but in the period of time from 95-99 they tinkered with it quite a bit. If memory serves me correctly there were, because of ties, upwards of 90 medalists in math at the 1998 national finals with dozens of perfect scores. So next year they increased the difficulty. The result: everyone's scores went down. My score dropped 120 points from 98 to 99 and yet the medal went from silver to gold. So, after that year being too hard, the next year they made it easier again. I think they're still messing around with it because I heard about some changes in the past couple of years about calculator usage, number of questions, and time limit.

Anyway, I guess you've had time to look over the article and I trust you feel it's satisfactory. CryptoDerk 03:24, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

Box

Sorry, I shouldn't have called it an "ugly box". I was more reacting to the fact that it made the top of the page look really bad, and used a poor choice of words. To be sure, the box could probably be prettified a bit, but it's certainly serviceable as is. VeryVerily 03:15, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

History of France

Why does "France in modern times" equal "Fifth Republic"? - SimonP 01:06, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

There isn't really a gap. The Second Empire turns into France under the Third Republic, which turns into "France in modern times" covering everything after WWII. I do agree completely that these pages are much too short. - SimonP 01:15, Dec 21, 2004 (UTC)

Anaconda

Hi Narya, do you know anything about copyrights on this pic you posted? Nice one btw, I'm gonna use it for the Dutch anaconda. Greetings B kimmel 16:09, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC).

Ok thanks a lot, but maybe you should alter the descriptionpage of the picture as well greetings, B kimmel 21:51, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Education in the United States NPOV dispute

Great job! I also made a few additions and changes to wordings about community colleges. I'd be glad if you looked them over. Thunderbolt16 01:10, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)

rings and things

While checking what links here for ringbearer I noticed that your user page links to it. Of course I would never tamper with a user page without the author's permission, so I'm leaving this note to let you know that the Tolkien character is now at ring-bearer. Quill 08:22, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The size of Wales

You've nominated this article for speedy deletion. Could you say which of the categories it fits under? Dbiv 22:10, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not clear which of the criteria for speedy deletion you though that this article met. For the moment I've removed the 'delete' tag, and done some tidying and wikifying. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 22:11, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

It's fairly clear that it's not a speedy candidate. If you want to argue for its deletion, do so through the Votes for Deletion process. Dbiv 22:52, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Re: Votes for Deletion

Alright, thanks for the tip, just wasn't sure if that was speedy or not... the guidelines seem fairly vague to me and didn't want to offend anyone, thanks anyways. Sasquatch′↔Talk↔Contributions

Sensitive fern

Hello there. Why did you move Onoclea sensibilis to Sensitive fern? Isn't it better to refer to the plant articles by the scientific binomial so there is no confusion among common names? I'm just curious as to if there is some policy I should know about regarding name conventions. --DanielCD 21:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This depends a lot on the situation. In many plant pages the scientific name is better for the page title. In some cases, common names are confusing or misleading; in others, the scientific name is more widely used than the so-called 'common' name (99% of plants have no common name at all); in yet others there may be different common names used in different areas for the same species, and using one over another can be a POV unacceptable in wiki etiquette. Scientific names also make for much better indexing in Categories, as they index related species in the same genus together when common names might not. The matter has been discussed several times on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life (look through the archives as well!), usually with a majority in favour of using scientific names for all plant pages (though not for animals), with only the size of the task preventing much greater conversion to scientific name page titles - MPF 23:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I'll have to give it some more thought. Thing is, there are so many common names, and the sci. binomial is universal. We can always have redirects for the common names. I don't wanna big controversy though. I'll have to do some more reading in the Wikitalk:Tree of Life. But wow, there's so much there. Hard to know where people are at in the debate. Anyway, thanks. --DanielCD 01:06, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

HI again! I didn't think you were assulting my name choice; sorry if I ever sounded that way. Sometimes my writing can seem a little more vehement than it really is. In the end all that matters to me is a consensus or at least a rule of thumb we can all agree on. We should get the pros and cons of both together somewhere. But the comment/talk and especially archive pages are so labrynthine, it's often hard to find out where the discussion is at. But really, thanks for the comments and the discussion. --DanielCD 18:49, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Languages

Thanks for closing the ridiculous peer review on American English. But I disagree that Scottish English, Welsh English, Hiberno-English, Canadian English, Australian English, New Zealand English, South African English, and Indian English should have "language" attached to them. They're not languages, they're dialects (some of them arguably only accents) of the English language. Swiss German language and Austrian language already are called that, but IMO it's only justified for the former. I would prefer the latter to be called Austrian German. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 22:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image:Bassclarinet.jpg

Hi, I see this image is marked as public domain, but it doesn't state the source. Did you make it? --Gmaxwell 19:40, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The picture was received from a friend, who made it, and transferred it into my posession. He no longer has the picture and I have released it into the public domain.--naryathegreat | (talk) 00:58, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Well what I was looking for is a specific detailed keywork picture, could I talk to your friend? --Gmaxwell 12:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well not really, because he's not a Wikipedian and never was. He was a friend in my high school band who was good with photoshop. I don't really know if I could get in touch with him any more. He graduated before me.--naryathegreat | (talk) 15:07, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, Okay. Thanks then... I'll probably just replace it when I shoot the keywork pictures myself after I finish illustrating Bassoon. --Gmaxwell 16:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In response to your comment on my username

I picked my name because it has been my longstanding internet pen-name. I'm not as concerned with the possible offensiveness of the name - to me it was a play on words, not a condonement of Pol Pot's actions. But, recognizing that it could very well hurt my standing in the Wikipedia community to have that name, I've changed my signature nickname to display my real name. Please let me know if you feel that is enough.

--JackReeves 03:00, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of high schools

Sorry, but I just basically cut-and-paste (line by line, usually). There should be an easier way to do it, but I've never found it. For all the counties Texas has, it would take me several hours, probably. Good luck. Flyers13 00:38, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • Well, you could jump on List of school districts in Texas instead. It's a little more manageable (and then I could link to the district articles when the high school page is populated. I'm sure a bot could be created to import the data from SchoolTree, but I don't know how to do it (and there could be copyright issues); there are enough errors in the data that require research/fixing that I'd be a little leery about it anyway. At least most of the populated states are already done ... with the notable exceptions of Texas and California ... which should be great fun.

Image:Hitlerandchamberlain.jpg

You uploaded this image under the tag {{PD-Germany}}. Unfortuantely the wording of this tag was inaccurate, and the image is not yet PD. However it may be usable under fair use. Could you consider changing the copyright tag to {{fairuse}}. Thanks, and keep up the good work. Physchim62 13:22, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

BSkyB

Hi. You removed a large section from British Sky Broadcasting and replaced it with "This section should include corporate history not a rehash of Sky Digital."

I would ask you to explain how the removed section is not a corporate history, given that it includes:

• The original name(s) of the company
• Rupert Murdoch's purchase of it
• The company's relationship with Astra SES
• The relationship with BSB
• Subsequent competition and emphasis on different business strategies
• BSB's failure and subsequent merger

The corporate history (which you removed), does belong on BSkyB. Sky Digital is just a brand name and the history on that page should be from its formation to present, not the corporate history of its parent company since the 1980s. Thanks for your time, Mark 19:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

PSAT National Merit Competition Eligibility

As you didn't seem to read it earlier, I would like to bring your attention to the discussion page on that article, as it justifies the position that saying a student must be a US citizen is incorrect. I also wonder why you chose to crop #3 in the quote, seems to be playing politics there instead of trying to convey information accurately, of course I am not accusing you of doing such, I just think you should be more careful about editing articles especially when somebody is disagreing with you. In order to disprove that only US citizens a eligible for National Merit, one only needs one counter-example, I attended high school as late as 2000, and I know personally for several counter-examples. I hope you will take the data I have brought into your attention before deciding change the PSAT article. Thanks for your time and consideration on this issuer, User:JVittes

The Education Article

I really like the changes that you made in the education in the United States article, because my point earlier was that the article was casting the whole system in a bad light. Also, I'd like to thank you for helping me gain a foothold in this community, and I hope you wouldn't mind a few more questions from time to time? Telescopium1 20:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

(in reply) Yes thank you, I see what you mean about the User: part, and I'll be more careful about the red links in the future (though I don't believe I've done it in an article). I appreciate you letting me know about the user page procedure. I've been reading the "how to" peices and what not, but the problem is I can only take in and apply a bit at a time, so I've been avoiding trying anything too major. You seem to like history based a few of your articles, which is great because I am a history major in college. If I decide to try and major edits I will pass them on to you, I never hurts to let those more experienced than you review something. Telescopium1 19:53, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Education in the United States

Thank you for reading my work on the Education in the United States article. On my talk page, you stated,

I like how you helped NPOV the sex ed section. I think you might be able to add to the homeschooling section. I confess, I don't know that much about it. Could you help?

I must confess that I, too, know little about homeschooling. My own personal experience only covers American public schools, with a few years of private (but still "institutional") schooling thrown in for light relief. I've spent many a long hour discussing education with my friends — since we have all been trying to survive the education process, it's a common topic of conversation. Chatting with several other MIT people, my impression was that the homeschooled people we'd met had difficulties adjusting to a society of their peers, generally speaking, whereas those of us who survived public school — and particularly high school — could at least function happily among people our own ages. This is only anecdotal evidence, to be sure, the furthest thing removed from actual science. However, it does tend to inform the directions where I start looking when I research the question, and it probably skews the proportions of time I spent writing on each issue. (One more reason collaborations are a good idea.)

I have moved the footnote so that it only covers the information which appeared to me to originate from that source. Also, I zapped some sentences which the FAC discussion people had called POV. I blended in some text from the homeschooling article itself, which I tried to smooth out a bit. The result still sounds a little too weaselly to me, but I think it's an improvement.

Anville 19:35, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Country infobox

According to Template:Infobox Country and Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries#Article template, we use a country's native name in its infobox heading. Since English is not an official language of Vietnam, I'm removing your recent edit to the Vietnam article. DHN 04:08, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

• i think your template is great. I just would like to see something: compulsory or not? from when to when? examples: In spain education is compulsory from 6 to 16 years old. In some countries it is recommended but not compulsory. In others from 5-10 years old. It would be also useful for comparison (but perhaps difficult) a table with the structures of the system.Please, add more countries to the list: spain, for example, haha. An add the template to all of them. Sorry for my english, I'm not a native speaker. I don't sign coz I'm not registerd in this wiki, but in mine (I'm Barcelona user in catalan wikipedia if you want something from me)

World War Two's expendable nations

The following is a comment of mine pasted from the WWII talk page:

"It pains me to hear the rest of us cited as expendable, especially when the boys of the Kokoda Trail - to cite just one example - played a more important role in saving the Pacific from Japanese domination than any other single battle at that point in the war, up to and including Midway. I'm not an Australian, but your comment is appalling and demonstrates a terribly ignorant view of the war and the role played by lesser, more expendable nations. Would the Battle of Britain have being won without No. 303 Polish Fighter Squadron? Would the battle of Monte Cassino have succeded without the Free French, Poles and Indians? And what if neutral Ireland had not sent its crucial weather report for the 5th June 1944 (D-Day)? I can sum it all up in one phrase: we saved YOUR ass in World War Two."

Now, I have cooled down a little from the mood I was in when I wrote the above, but my complaint still stands. And please explain to me why you consider us to be expendable nations? Sincerely, Fergananim 17:50, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

PSAT

I was wondering why you removed the National Achievement Scholarship Program section from PSAT/NMSQT. --Christopherlin 23:24, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Internet Explorer

Concerning this edit [5], would you mind showing me download links for IE for Solaris and IE for HP-UX? AlistairMcMillan 12:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Economy of Eritrea

Thanks for tidying up this article and removing the cleanup tag. The article is better now compare to what it was on Sunday. ant_ie 19:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

"Release candidate" on Development stage

Hi --

I've reverted your change to Development stage because I was unable to find any references supporting the phrase "release candidate" originating at Microsoft. Do you have a cite for that? (Also, please don't mark substantive changes as minor; that's for copy editing and spelling corrections and so on. There's guidelines and an explanation of the need for them at Wikipedia:Minor edit.) Thanks! — mendel ☎ 19:42, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

spinoza1111 replies

Sorry you think the discussion "ten year old style". I am afraid your notions of what constitutes NPOV and maturity itself are flawed.

I agreed to your edit since I will be putting the information if appropriate in the SAT article.

But the fault was yours. You don't know the difference between the report of an opinion in the Princeton Review and the opinion itself, which means that for you NPOV is reporting safe opinions that you and your friends think are acceptable.

That's not NPOV.

It's important to know that there is widespread cynicism about the SAT. That fact may prevent suicides by students who take it too seriously, yet you want in the service of your misunderstanding to exclude from your article any interesting criticism of the College Boards, REPORTED AS FACT.

This is the false objectivity that makes mainstream sources so unreliable.

Also, I see in your response that lack of collegiality typical of people from Texas, which is where I'm guessing your from. You take yourself so seriously that you're angry about an article that called you champ and AGREED to let your edit stand, and you send me nasty notes.

So lighten up, Tex (I hope you don't mind if I call you Tex).

Pakistan

Was there any reason why you blanked the page, or was it just the accidental consequence of some other cleanup you have planned? (ESkog)^(Talk) 18:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

• Not a problem. I think that for too-large pages there are sometimes odd side effects; that's why there's a warning on the edit window. (ESkog)^(Talk) 18:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

SAT

I have added a citation as you requested. The site is to a table giving the scores by race (you have to do your own subtraction to find the number of point in the gap). There is no citation for the idea that math problems would be less susceptible to cultural influences than verbal questions, as I think it is obvious. Frankly, the "cultural bias" criticism is itself highly questionable. Finding one or two isolated examples out of hundreds of verbal questions that supposedly reflect some upper class white activity falls far short of scientific proof of systematic cultural bias in the SAT. Performance on the SAT verbal depends not on personal experience but on being widely read in many areas. Very few white high school students have any personal experience with boating regattas or dividends on stocks either, nor with space travel or the Roman Empire or many other topics mentioned on the test, but a well read student has familiarity with all of them through his reading. The more likely explanation for the black white gap is the fact, discussed elsewhere in the article, that SAT is highly correlated with IQ. Since black average IQs are one standard deviation below white, it is unsurprising that black SAT scores are offset by the same deviation. Indeed a similar gap exists not only on the SAT but on every other commonly administered test, including tests that are entirely non-verbal, such as the Raven's Progressive Matrices, which are administered internationally to people of all cultures. Given these facts, it's not surprising that the "culturally biased" crowd can only offer up only isolated anecdotes which I'm not sure even belong in Wikipedia. But rather than delete them (it should be noted also that the analogies section is no longer part of the SAT, so the examples are not even valid anymore) I though it better just to offer some facts that undermine the cultural bias argument and let the reader decide for themselves. 71.224.221.141 05:15, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Template:Korea Infobox

I removed your speedy tag on Template:Korea Infobox because the reason you gave is not a valid criterion for speedy deletion. If you wish for a template to be deleted, please visit WP:TFD and make your case there. Thanks, Werdna648^T/_C\^@ 06:12, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

What's in a name?

Hi there! Thanks for your note. I think we're rather on the same page. Let me clarify: recall that G.'s proposal entails the consistent mention/rendering of short- then long-form country names in country article leads. It does not entail, I think, a wholesale change of articles to the longer name, which is the primary intent of the Wp common naming convention (which essentially is the KISS principle). Moreover, G.'s proposal may actually satisfy that too, since the simpler forms would precede the longer ones:

Name, officially Republic/Kingdom/Grand Duchy (whatever) of Name, is a country located in...

So, retrofit the current article lead for Germany and you get the following:

Germany, officially the Federal Republic of Germany (German: Deutschland or Bundesrepublik Deutschland listen^ⓘ), is one of the world's leading industrialised countries, located in Europe.

Of course, it might be prudent to substitute "officially" with "or" or similar, but you get the idea.

Similarly, issues regarding Canada's name (including related content on its talk page) have been extensively discussed and are effectively resolved.

I'm all for consistency in Wp (when possible) yet simplicity and effectively wikifying terms: take a glance, for instance, at the list of countries by HDI and you'll note that I simplified many of the country names therein (e.g., Micronesia, Macedonia) by effectively wikifying them (and encourage this whenever its required). This way, we can have our cake and eat it too.

Moreover, by analogy, observe a somewhat related discussion I was involved in about whether or not the HIV and AIDS articles should be entitled as is or moved to their lengthy (and lesser-observed) spell-outs.

I don't think we're on the same page regarding the country/infobox template, though, but that's another story. :) Anyhow, I hope this makes sense. I appreciate your prior support for the HDI and anticipated support herein (if not already). Please let me know if you've any questions. Thanks! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 09:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi! BTW: I noticed your note to Vardion; I'll create a locator map for the Palestinian National Authority shortly. Any others? E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 04:00, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Infobox country

Thanks, no problem. --Khoikhoi 01:42, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, you notice on the country pages, take Azerbaijan for example, that the image of the flag is a lot farther up than it used to be. Is there any way to fix that? --Khoikhoi 01:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! --Khoikhoi 01:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Because it messes up the Switzerland article. --Khoikhoi 02:06, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

It made the flag a lot lower than the coat of arms. --Khoikhoi 02:08, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Yeah, it's a lot better to have one article look weird than have 250 articles look weird! --Khoikhoi 02:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, me too. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:15, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Education in the United States

Nope, I only added the tag because what he suggested is basically copyediting, so I thought I'd help him out. I should've read the checked the article first though, sorry. -- PRueda29 / ^Ptalk29 / ^Pcontribs29 02:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi- sorry for any confusion; as noted above, I didn't add the tag. See my comment on E in the US talk page. PS- Some idiot vandalised your user page from the looks of things- I have reverted it to your edit on 19th of Jan. I hope this is OK. (However, I believe it may have been you who misspelt 'Tolkien' as 'Tolkein'- sorry....) ;-) Cheers, Badgerpatrol 03:59, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance! Cheers, Badgerpatrol 04:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the message! I'll reply on the FAC nomination subpage when I go through all the FACs again. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?) 01:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

You're doing a great job on the education article. It's a huge topic and still has a long way to go, but you've brought the level of it up very well. Just thought I'd give you a bit of encouragement.--ragesoss 07:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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Hi! I see you have been using this template on your user page. In case you haven't voted yet, make sure you don't miss the vote on the issue, whether to undo its deletion or not Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Userbox_debates#User_No_Marxism. Constanz - Talk 14:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Great minds think alike :-) Badgerpatrol 01:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

you

how does one delete/nominate for deletion an article?Nmpenguin 05:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

thanks, I eventually tried the bit about "afd" what have you, yet I am appreciative nonetheless. I apologize for the (Nmpenguin 05:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)) bit.Nmpenguin 05:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

for the last time, I prefer gift cards, they're linked to specific accounts.... what is your aim sn, as it might provide easier communications..Nmpenguin 05:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

well considered idea, I have yet to receive it, normally it works a bit faster, however. Nmpenguin 05:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

did you send it through the wikipedia client? an incorrect email was listed, I just fixed it, try again Nmpenguin 05:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

James..Tokelau

hey the country infobox for Tokelau is messing up when I attempt to insert the GDP data. 1.5 mil is acurate however it appears in the wrong column. Nmpenguin 21:25, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for arbitration

Maybe you can take a look and make a contribution at the following: Wikipedia:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute. Bitola 18:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Bitola 15:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

commie symp

howdy, I extended that poll until 8 March by request of E Pluribus Anthony, there is a clear plurality but oh well, what is a few more days. Also, confirm my current assumption that the UN figures are not easily acessible, I spent a few minutes looking for them, but I do not wish to discount a potential resource. Nmpenguin 03:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

hey, I saw mrs. thorton from quest today at the pdc. I decided to change the bobinan name..add emirate, thusly add emir to my title. yes.. I am a bit bored.Nmpenguin 03:11, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Because

I know that the language is changing, however due to the international nature of this project it would be best to assume that non-native English people would best be helped by people sticking to the traditional methods of using the language. I changed it because to me it just seems wrong and that is confirmed by my education. It just seems the most sensible way to try and keep the site readable and not confuse those that don't know how the language is evolving. (Indeed, I was discussing the use of 'Irony' the other day and the way it has changed meaning now.) -Localzuk ^(talk) 10:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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France's infobox

Hi Narya,

Can you look at the proposed infobox for France that I was working on Template:Country infobox data France? I was having trouble with the superscripts on the area in sq. km. It seems that the 2,3 shows up in the capital's coordinates as 2,3). If you can get it to work then maybe you can propose swapping out the infobox that is on the France page now. The France infobox is the first infobox that I have come across that is truely different from the clones of Infobox Country. I tried to find a happy middle ground between the current template and my proposed one. Hence, all the footnotes. Thanks. MJCdetroit 03:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

AID

-Litefantastic 17:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

POLL: Introduction for Republic of Macedonia article

Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring, you might be interested in a poll currently underway to decide the rendition of the lead for the Republic of Macedonia article. Please weigh in! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

introduction on countries

hi Naryathegreat,

you once voiced your support in the case of Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Countries#Proposal on how to introdue an article of a country. I've posted my final proposal, however it seems to be lost in action. I just wanted to ask you what you think and what are the steps we need to take to make it official? I have posted the text for you underneath

The country introduction reads: Xxxxx, officially the Yyyyyy of Xxxx (Republic of Xxxxx, or Kingdom of Xxxxxx, etc.), is a country located on the Xxxxx of Xxxx. It shares borders with Xxxx to the east, etc. For example the introduction to France should read: "France (pronounced /fʀɑ̃s/ in French), officially the French Republic (French: République française, pronounced /ʀepyblik fʀɑ̃sɛz/), is a country...."

Exceptions: If the official name and the most common name are synonymous, the entry is left with only one name, as is the case in the articles United States, United Kingdom, Romania, Mongolia, etc. For example: "The United States of America is a federal republic situated primarily in North America." or "Romania (Romanian: România /ro.mɨ'ni.a/) is a country in Central Europe." In cases where there is a thorough explanation of the official name, the official name in the lead sentence may be dropped, as long as it is explained later. This exception is illustrated in the article Canada.

looking forward, thanks alot. Gryffindor 18:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

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Nice work on the Education infobox template. I have a few questions and suggestions. How are the Primary, Secondary, and Post-Secondary stages of education defined? Are they between certain ages, eg. Primary (6-11), Secondary (11-15) etc? Is there a Wikipedia consensus for these definitions? Also, how about after the educational budget figure, having a percentage of GDP or total government expenditure? eg. USD 69.4 billion (10% government expenditure) This would show at a glance the relative priority education is given in the country's national budget. Lastly, where did you get the information for the statistics? Thanks. Bobo12345 08:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Joseph Stalin

I was about to write to you and mention the spelling. But it is me who has learnt something. You are correct. The more common spelling is Joseph, and the wiki article agrees with you. I always thought it was Josef too, and I have no idea where that spelling came from. Wallie 20:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello there.

David Edwards here. I was browsing the Mesquite ISD diff page, and suddenly saw a familiar name remove some lovely propaganda. Figured I'd drop a line or three. Kidiot 02:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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Nomination for merging of Template:Life in the United States

Template:Life in the United States has been nominated for merging with Template:United States topics. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. PPEMES (talk) 13:40, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:ROC ed logo.png

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This bot DID NOT nominate any file(s) for deletion; please refer to the page history of each individual file for details. Thanks, FastilyBot (talk) 01:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Greece education logo.png

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