Talk:Capture of Fort Ticonderoga

Location etc

I think the article should mention where Fort Ticonderoga was. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.178.187.222 (talk) 04:58, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

The location of the Fort Ticonderoga was Ticonderoga, Essex, New York. Fort Ticonderoga was high up in the mountains.Allied Rangoons (talk) 23:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Significance?

This article claims in the first sentence that this battle "was the first significant action of the American Revolutionary War." Why? What does that make Lexington & Concord -- insignificant? Do tell. --Kevin Myers 12:32, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wow, this article is a POV mess. Honestly, how can anyone seriously call this a "decisive victory"? The 47 men inside Fort Ticonderoga were all unarmed and engaged in non-military duties when the Americans arrived. The fort was guarded by a mighty one (read: one) sentry. Not a single shot was fired. There were no casualties.

Some "victory".

Indeed, it seems that the author(s) has taken a relatively insignificant event and tried to spin it into some grand and praiseworthy achievement. Pretty thin gruel. The only significance that I can attribute to the loss of Ticonderoga was that it opened the road to Canada - where real battles did occur. --Albrecht 21:53, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've made a few changes, and others have modified the article independently. It is now NPOV to my satisfaction. Albrecht 20:48, July 18, 2005 (UTC)

It's quite amazing that two colonels managed so much on their own too. Did they have any troops with them, do you think?

Battle of Crown Point merged into this article?

I expanded that article, but it doesn't say much more than this article does. Should be merged or perhaps that section taken out of this article? --AW 18:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC) I don't know!. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.183.134.20 (talk) 18:30, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

fort ticconderoga

how do you prononce it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.175.72 (talk) 01:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

tie-con-da-row-gah The Goat (talk) 00:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Minor but important difference

Other editors keep listing Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys as colonials. Vermont was never a colony. So it is 100% factually inaccurate to call people from Vermont colonials. The Goat (talk) 00:38, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

The area in question was actually a part of the colony of New York, or am I mistaken. Even if it wasn't Vermont was not a sepearte entity from the colonies, it must have laid in some British colony. So calling them colonials is technically correct. Arnold wasn't even from Vermont, but was born in Connecticut. So he was a colonial no matter how you look at it.--Jojhutton (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

The people living in Vermont had not recognized the authority of the colony of New York, the colony of New Hampshire or the King of England for several years prior to the Declaration of Independence. In fact after a petition for statehood in the USA was declined, Vermont declared itself an independent Republic in 1777.

Who is Arnold? Certainly Ethan Allen was born in Connecticut. Does that make him a colonial for the rest of his life? I would say no.The Goat (talk) 15:23, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge Battle of Crown Point

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the merger proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was to merge.

The Battle of Crown Point article is basically a stub. The action at Crown Point is not even properly a battle. In the context of the capture of Ticonderoga, it merits little more than one paragraph of mention.

Discuss. Magic♪piano 17:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Unless there is substantially more content that can be written about the Battle of Crown Point, since the Battle for Fort Ticonderoga and this battle are basically one and the same, I support this merge. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:38, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Based on the sources I've seen (3-4), I'm having a hard time imagining writing more than two paragraphs about it. It figures in a fairly small way in the disputes between Allen and Arnold, but most sources devote only about a paragraph to the main "action". Magic♪piano 03:41, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Seeing no objection here or elsewhere, Battle of Crown Point has been changed to redirect here. Magic♪piano 19:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

GA Review

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• Well-written:

• the article is well-written and is free of spelling and grammatical mistakes a) and
• it complies with b) the manual of style

• Factually accurate and verifiable:

• it provides a) in-line references in each paragraph and for major facts, using
• b) high-quality list of references and sources and free of spelling and grammatical mistakes and
• contains no original research .

• Broad in its coverage:

• it addresses the key aspects of the topic and
• doesn't go into too much detail, referencing other topics as needed

• Maintains a neutral point-of-view
• Is relatively stable with only minor recent edits and has no ongoing disputes
• is well illustrated with suitable illustrations and the images are

• a) appropriately tagged with their copyright status and have
• b) suitable captions .

Well done, and ready for GA status. -- btphelps ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Crown Point

Back to square one? I don't see what Crown Point is doing here. Okay to have three articles - one a "campaign" linked the other two, Capture of Ticonderoga and Battle for Crown Point", or just separate them. Crown point material maybe should be merged in Crown Point article? Just jarring to see semi-connected battles merged into one article IMO. Student7 (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

prostitutes?

"Within its walls was a collection of heavy artillery including cannons, howitzers, prostitutes,and mortars, armaments that the Americans had in short supply."

While it is hard to downplay the role of prostitutes, I am not aware of any artillery by this name, so I presume that this is only a humorous addition.

Filbertius (talk) 16:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Being on the main page will bring those sorts of, umm, contributions to an article. Magic♪piano 17:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Mercifully, the use of prostitutes as artillery has since been outlawed by the Geneva Conventions. —Kevin Myers 02:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

References

Also...

...when Benedict Arnold rode into the Green Mountain Boy's camp, he had orders from George Washington. The problem was the Green Mountain Boys mocked Benedict Arnold. The Green Mountain Boy's leader, Ethan Allen stopped the mocking and said only he gave orders to the Green Mountain Boys.

Evidence:

Historic Valley Forge

Allthingsliberty — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crab rangoons (talk • contribs) 23:29, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Listing the other Militias

The other militias did not actually participate in the capture of either Fort, so why are they listed? -Anon